Peta E-Card of Michael Vick

14 Responses to “Peta E-Card of Michael Vick”

1. Hypocrites on December 20th, 2007 9:39 am

   While I am not a PEPA supporter, I am concerned about their recent activities. I would remind member of PETA of the following verse found in Proverbs 24:17. “Do not rejoice when your enemies fall into trouble. Don’t be happy when they stumble. For the Lord will be displeased with you and will turn his anger away from them.”

   Maybe its time for PETA to move on and remove the smirks from there faces. Once again I would say be cautous. Some are beginning to say PETA has gone too far. Rather than smile at the card, some are disappointed.

2. Daisy on December 28th, 2007 6:04 pm

   The fact is, people who eat meat kill far more animals than Michael Vick ever has, and yet feel that they have the right to judge him. I don’t see the difference, except that dogs are cuddly. Is that what it takes to get people to care about wanton slaughter of animals?

   PETA is opportunistic and bourgeois. I think they have turned more people off of vegetarianism than any single group.

   They SHOULD be drawing the connection between abusing dogs and abusing cows, pigs, chickens, etc. But they are too stupid to do that, and count on dog-owners for hefty contributions (opportunistic, as I said). I have no respect for PETA at all, and I am someone who often agrees with them. But their attitude and tactics suck.

3. Daisy on December 28th, 2007 6:05 pm

   Sorry, the above link did not work right! Here’s the piece I wrote.

4. doglover332 on December 28th, 2007 6:34 pm

   Thanks Daisy.

   Personally, I eat meat myself and am aware of the terrible conditions in slaughter houses.

   I do not see a binary solution or goal in the world as it relates to living with animals. However, I think that as an evolving civilization we can take steps away from torture and killing as a sport. Maybe someday we can evolve to the point where we can grow mushrooms or fungus that satiates our taste buds, while simultaneously not creating a living entity that minds being harvested and consumed.

   That said, there is growing evidence that plants and mushrooms too for that matter may actually feel pain and so there is no escape from the reality that we people consume things and that consumption ends the things we consume.

   The issue with Michael Vick is not how many hamburgers he ate, but that he wastefully and tortuously killed things for no other reason than sport, financial gain, peer pressure or an inherent mental sickness.

5. skip on January 25th, 2008 11:48 pm

   I recently read an article regarding PETA which tells some of their dirty secrets, according to the aritcle I read PETA president Ingrid Newkirk supports banning pit bulls, in addition to that january 2007 two of PETA employees stood trial with twenty four felony counts including twenty one counts of animal cruelty and obtaining property under false pretenses,lying to shelters adopting dogs and cats and instead of finding home for these animals they enuthanized the animals, according to the document I read the two staffers were found guilty of a lesser charge. My point in this is what gives PETA the right to down someone else for doing exactly what they are doing minus the dog fighting, dead is dead kill is kill, all have the same results. I think they are full of sh@t. I am truly animal lover and I have taken lost animals into my home but I wouldn’t trust that organization for nothing. And as far as michael vick is concerned he was only prosecuted because of who he is all of the people that are posting this bullsh@t need to get a life because if they had one they wouldn’t be so damned worried about michael vick life. All of you have a lot of damn nerves.

6. doglover332 on January 26th, 2008 2:17 am

   Thanks for your comments Skip and you can curse if you like as long as it isn’t put together in some sort of hate speech way.

   Putting the @ symbol in the comments is a little goofy for the code.

   Personally, I’m find the entire Vick episode a weird thing in that many people that normally do not find common cause with PETA found themselves in a peculiar situation.

   I found the PETA christmas card to be in poor taste and hypocritical after they accepted Michael Vick in to participate in some of their training classes. Why ridicule someone they were trying to reform?

   As to the get a life comment, you are entitle to your opinion just as everyone is and I welcome you to the company of people that have commented on Michael Vick, However, I think you are being a little too hard on yourself. There’s nothing wrong in what you have done. Just because you wanted to express your views on Michael Vick, it does not mean that you do not have a life or are not important.

   Vick was prosecuted because he broke the law, and he flagrantly thumbed his nose at everyone when he was caught. Its one thing to break a law that politically may not be terribly important to a lot of people, but when you break a law and then use your $100 million empire and public voice to proclaim that you did nothing wrong as film rolls on all the things that you did do wrong, well that is something that is just too tempting for a prosecutor to resist.

   Michael Vick did engage in some real criminal activity and one of his cohorts was murdered (murder still unresolved).
   This wasn’t just about dogs, nor animal cruelty.

   This was about money, power, illegal gambling, it was about drugs and it is also about an unsolved murder of one of the people that Michael Vick did business with.

   Personally, I have nothing against any of those things, except for murder. dog fighting and breaking the law.

   If Michael Vick wanted dog fighting or marijuana or cocaine or murder to be legalized he should have launched a campaign and spent some money on lobbyists and maybe pulled in some high profile buddies to get the laws changed.

   I do not think he would have made it too far as our democracy is probably not ready to legalize murder or cocaine, but he might have had some success with marijuana and gambling.

   Instead he broke the laws and then publicly denied it when he was caught with evidence all around him. He then self righteously denied everything right up until the point where he reversed his denial.

   And in the meantime, he basically conned the Atlanta Falcons out of a hundred million dollars so that makes him something of a legal con artist.

7. skip on January 26th, 2008 1:16 pm

   Doglover I don’t think that I made any comments as to whether michael vick was guilty or not my comments were more directed to the PETA organization, I didn’t mention anything about the Christmas card at all. I was just referring to the fact that the PETA organization is not what they say they are. I did not mean to imply that people don’t have a right to express their opinions, because they do. As far as what Michael Vick is guilty of or not guilty of I don’t know the answer to that and neither do you, and to make the comment that he is a con artist is your opinion. You stated the case was weird and I do agree with that but I will not try to pass judgement on something when all of the real facts have not been presented. Again I think that he was prosecuted because of who he is I also think he may know a great deal. I have been involved with doing plea deals with the feds, I know for a fact how they play those deals and they themselves are not always honest, that is why I feel the way I do. So unless I have all of the facts regarding the plea deal and all of the other facts surrounding the case I will continue to believe the way I do. I guess my point is unless you have all the facts I don’t understand how you or anyone else can pass judgement. Again my post was not intended to make a debate on Michael Vick it was directed toward PETA.

8. doglover332 on January 26th, 2008 6:48 pm

   My apologies skip for misunderstanding part of your comments before.

   As this is a blog, most of the articles here are my opinion and the comments are the opinions of others. The site does provide reference to news, but I do not consider myself a journalist in any way, shape or form.

   My own experience with the feds is limited to some experiences I had working as a whistleblower against a Chinese company that was breaking several laws. Plus, I have several friends that work for the FBI and Homeland Security that I went to school with several years ago. I am not surprised by your experiences with them at all. It sounds fairly par for the course in dealing with most people actually inside government or out.

   As to my opinion that Vick might be a con artist, I came to consider that possibility from the perspective that he established a contract worth over $100 million with the Falcons, that contract had a moral terpitude clause and prevented him from gambling, yet based on the news reports that have come out, he seems to have started gambling on dog fights within just a few weeks after signing that contract and then he continued to do that up until a few weeks before the feds seized his property.

   So in a general sense if a con artist is a person that takes money from another person under false pretenses, then I think Vick might just qualify for the label.

   In general, this site was not a news site, but a site dedicated to promoting Michael Vick from the NFL permanently. That is stated in our mission and we cover the reasons for that in several of our early articles. We had several other goals, but all of those have been accomplished. As it stands it looks like Michael Vick will be heading back to the NFL in about a year and a half.

   Our goal is to continue to promote the prevention of his return, unless something substantial were revealed that would make us reconsider our mission. While all of the facts may not be present in this case, I believe that Michael Vick did have it within his control to choose to live as a decent person and to manage his affairs and property in a way that would have prevented most of the crimes that were committed directly by him and by those crimes that happened around him, which includes the murder of a North Carolina man about twenty some miles from where I reside today.

   As the Feds do not always play entirely fair, I do not necessarily see any reason why Vick or his attorneys have to play fair (as long as both sides are within the law). I do not necessarily want to see Michael Vick rot in jail forever. However, I do not want to see him return to football where he will regain the power and soapbox that comes with that spot light. I think that is bad for society and for the NFL. So I have no qualms in pushing for him to find a new career and purpose in life. Its something that happens to most Americans a half dozen times in their lives these days, and I see no reason why Michael Vick should be a special exception.

9. skip on January 26th, 2008 8:20 pm

   first let me say your apology is truly accepted. I have had direct experience with the feds, I know first hand how plea deals are conducted. As for your opinion on micheal vick being a con artist that is truly your own personal opinion, which is okay. However vick did play for the falcons a number of years which made them a great deal of money. And again you nor I know just how deeply vick was involved in the gambling or the dog fighting, and the more I read and hear about it I don’t think that his involvement was that much and that is my opinion. I have done things that I am truly sorry for (that I mean from the botton of my heart) and I have asked for forgiveness and I have been forgiven, I thank God for that everyday. I don’t know ehat the goals were that you stated you have accomplished (I can only imagine) and to be honest I don’t want to know. Because vick knew a drug dealer who was murdered doesn’t mean it had anything to do with him, and to suggest that without knowing that for a fact in my opinion is wrong.

   My initial comment was directed toward PETA I notice you stay away from that subject.

10. skip on January 26th, 2008 8:28 pm

    SORRY FOR THE MISHAP DOGLOVER
    The most unfortunate thing about this situation (to me) is that someone would actually take the time to promote him from returning to his career, how ridiculous. If he does his time, he should be allowed to continue with his career be it the NFL or whatever, he should be able to do that, just like any one else coming out of the prison. The question I have for you and yours is: what gives you the right?

11. doglover332 on January 26th, 2008 9:22 pm

    Hi Skip

    In regards to your question

    what gives you the right?

    I will refer you to the First Amendment of the Constitution also know as the first right in the Bill of Rights. It is my opinion that he shouldn’t be involved in the NFL going forward based on the actions that are publicly available. Under the bill of rights I can express this opinion and do so here on a website that I own and pay for in real money and with my own time and effort.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Also, as an NFL fan, I feel that the NFL, the Falcons, and Michael Vick have benefited (in small part) from me and all fans from watching their games. The Falcons, the NFL and Michael Vick directly and financially benefited from their fan base including myself, a former Vick and Falcon fan.

    In essence, my support empowered Michael Vick with money to engage in the illegal shenanigans that he engaged in. He used to fan money, he used advertiser money, he used all of the money he earned (not claiming he didn’t earn it) but he eanred it from us. As a fan that was partly responsible for his pay check, I therefore reserve the right to remove my support and

    work to help other fans see the bad results achieved by Michael Vick from their support and the money that comes with that support.

    I absolutely do not want to put more good money after bad and do not want to personally empower someone that in essence broke his social contract with all of us fans.

    I can’t erase in time the damage done, but I can work to prevent it from happening again and to redirect my support to the players in the NFL that show up and sacrifice their lives and bodies without screwing their fans over.

    The world is flattening and more and more the fans have the right and the ability to be heard today. We do not have to live in a vacuum and just accept things the way they are. This is just one small area where I am trying to make a small difference. I am involved in many other areas where I am attempting to make a big difference. What I am saying is that this is not my only cause.

    If you disagree with the cause so much that you feel that I am doing something wrong or feel that Vick needs someone to support him on the other side of the argument, I welcome you to invest your money and time and fight for what you believe in.

    I definitely believe that more dialogue from both sides of this issue and almost all issues will help people find insights enough to make the world a little bit better.

    Note, I do not use this next part as justification for my own actions, by I am definitely not alone in my belief and perspective. I am not attacking Vick just to attack him. I have no problems with him going into any other line of work (possible exception of working as a dog breeder). If this were politics, I’d basically be looking to impeach Vick from the NFL. The NFL itself is not completely in disagreement with me. They have indefinitely suspended Michael Vick. Personally, I think that the suspension should be permanent, and question that organization for not making it permanent. If they reinstate him in the future, then this campaign may change or expand to include the NFL as well.

12. skip on January 27th, 2008 1:09 am

    Doglover I don’t mean to rude but I didn’t realize that you owned this website, so please accept my apology for using it, I will not use it in the future, because you sound like a real live nut.

13. DogLover332 on January 27th, 2008 2:09 am

    Ah, now you are exercising your opinion without any facts.

    Thanks for stopping by!

14. mike....... on March 31st, 2008 1:20 pm

    doglover332………Having read the blogs between yoursel & Skip…….I would have to say that I do agree with you. You make sense….You definitely are not a “nutjob” as he stated………He actually concerns me….He has made the comment that Vick was prosecuted because of who he is, & that Vick was not involved very much……how can he arrive at that decision. In my opinion, he is biased. I am a regular law abiding citizen.ihave not committed any crime,nor am I invoved in any illicit activities…I work & I pay my bills & taxes diligenty. Why would I not expect others to do the same. Vick was found guilty of commiting felony crimes.he owes millions to banks in the U.S. & Canada..no payments made. …he signed a contract with the Atlanta Falcons…..& breached it…….he breached his plea deal contract……….this man’s word , in my opinion isuseless.he shows no respect for the law…& by virtue of his behaviour, shows no respect for his fans……he has made a mockery of theAmerican public. He is no hero. As a regular working stiff..I would boycott anything to do with this reprobate. My hard earned money will not support him in the NfL . I work too hard…..to support in anyway…this thief. He is a liability & embarassment to Sports of any nature. What he needs is to work in a regular job with regular pay.doing hard graft..like most of America….he needs to turn his head around……….& so do those who blindly support no matter what horrific or illegal act he commits. Your points are well made.

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